Monday, November 27, 2017

Let's Talk Nukes



Donald Trump wonders why have nukes if you can't use them. Vlad is furiously deploying new warheads and delivery systems including new nuclear subs and ultra-long range cruise missiles.  Team Trump is working on developing a new generation of warheads that are more user friendly. American nuclear nonproliferation expert, professor Avner Cohen, is scared shitless.  But where do we really stand?


Between them, Russia and the US have about 14,000 nuclear warheads, about 5,000 of which are retired and awaiting decommissioning. Overall they maintain about 4,000 nuclear devices ready to go.

For the rest the tallies are: France, 300; China, 270; UK, 215; Pakistan, 140; India, 130; Israel, 80; and North Korea, 60.

Let's ballpark it at 10,000 nukes all in.

What kind of mayhem do you get for that sort of investment?

According to the British newspaper, The Telegraph, there is less to nuclear warfare than we imagine.

According to Telegraph research, it is estimated that the US and Russian arsenals combined have power equating to 6,600 megatons. This is a tenth of the total solar energy received by Earth every minute.

A 2014 study published in the American Geophysical Union Journal contends that even a small exchange, say between Pakistan and India, of just 100 warheads would be civilization-as-we-know-it ending.

A limited, regional nuclear war between India and Pakistan in which each side detonates 50 15 kt weapons could produce about 5 Tg of black carbon (BC). This would self-loft to the stratosphere, where it would spread globally, producing a sudden drop in surface temperatures and intense heating of the stratosphere. Using the Community Earth System Model with the Whole Atmosphere Community Climate Model, we calculate an e-folding time of 8.7 years for stratospheric BC compared to 4–6.5 years for previous studies. Our calculations show that global ozone losses of 20%–50% over populated areas, levels unprecedented in human history, would accompany the coldest average surface temperatures in the last 1000 years. We calculate summer enhancements in UV indices of 30%–80% over midlatitudes, suggesting widespread damage to human health, agriculture, and terrestrial and aquatic ecosystems. Killing frosts would reduce growing seasons by 10–40 days per year for 5 years. Surface temperatures would be reduced for more than 25 years due to thermal inertia and albedo effects in the ocean and expanded sea ice. The combined cooling and enhanced UV would put significant pressures on global food supplies and could trigger a global nuclear famine.

"Global nuclear famine." Hmm, never had one of those.

8 comments:

Toby said...

Major volcano eruptions have caused global famines. I think we are heading to major famines anyway; climate change is causing much desertification. That process will lead to wars like it did in Syria; yes Syria had a long drought which made the natives restless. Gwynne Dyer talks about how climate change could very easily lead to war and even nuclear exchange. Here's a sample:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEyZ6mcwLWY



The Mound of Sound said...

I have his book, "Climate Wars," Toby. Mind is the 2nd edition. I had the 1st edition but it must have fallen victim to my "lending library" problem.

Trailblazer said...

"Climate Wars," Toby. Mind is the 2nd edition. I had the 1st edition

Did not know there was a second edition; thanks for the info, I appreciate Dyers educated insights.

However , I think we have at least an aire of calamity and panic to the conversation.
No one knows who the targets for a nuclear exchange( for that it would be) are!
Trump has never mentioned a possible hit list as his flawed character may suggest..
The hit list could ,or not, include Moscow or Pyongyang; perhaps even Coombs or Tofino.
I would guess that Trump would advertise his doomsday list way before executing it.

TB

The Mound of Sound said...


While Trump could get embroiled in a limited nuclear exchange I suspect the greater threat was some war among Pakistan, India and China, perhaps triggered by disruption/denial of access to the Himalayan headwaters.

Toby said...

In his speeches about climate wars Gwynne Dyer alludes to governments not talking about what they know because they don't want to alarm the children. There is always an element of smoke and mirrors in anything politicians say but what about the rest. I'm having an hard time expressing my point so let's get back to basics. The world is heating up, voodoo economics has run amok and world population has tripled in the last 75 years. Those make a recipe for not just one but many disasters, many failed states. Governments must know that there will be food shortages, floods and class six hurricanes (they only go to class five but they will have to add another); there will be people on the move from where they are running out of food to where they expect to find food. What do we do when there are half a billion people on the move? It's not just Trump that wants to build a wall; there are walls going up elsewhere. India has apparently built a wall all the way around Bangladesh. Are governments quietly making plans, and acting on them, while idiots like Trump keep us distracted? Does the US military want the wall on the Mexican border because it expects the worst? Trailblazer suggests that "Trump would advertise his doomsday list way before executing it." Would he? Would he even know which way the missiles are pointing?

Trailblazer said...

Would he? Would he even know which way the missiles are pointing?

Before Trump can enable the missile attack he and his advisors have to decide upon an enemy.
The enemy has to be programmed into the system well before an attack.
Trump cannot wake up one day and say he is pissed off at Coombs and nuke them.
even in his demented world there are some checks and balances.

TB

John's Aghast said...

"Climate Wars" was first published by Random House in 2008. There was a second edition published in 2010.

Trailblazer said...

Thanks John I will purchase a copy.

TB