tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post2873172948835220596..comments2024-03-22T05:20:44.167-07:00Comments on The Disaffected Lib: The Rise of Canada's Precariat. Thanks Morneau.The Mound of Soundhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-28134207441642534092016-11-01T23:14:12.820-07:002016-11-01T23:14:12.820-07:00Hello Everybody,
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It's not lik...One in which the majority ruled?<br /><br />It's not like confiscation is a particularly new resort. Countries have been nationalizing companies forever, and doing so without compensation is not historically that unusual, even in democracies. And, of course, any Libertarian could tell you that taxation is not really any different from complete expropriation. The only difference is that, instead of handing enterprises over to the state to be run by big brother, I propose handing enterprises over to the people who created the value in the first place.Purple library guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930984683714519212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-54338768623988007282016-10-27T14:42:41.677-07:002016-10-27T14:42:41.677-07:00How do you propose to put "real people" ...How do you propose to put "real people" in control of the means of production, PLG? Confiscation of privately held property? We're too broke to pay compensation for expropriation. If you do resort to confiscation what sort of democracy would you be left with?The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-78083354670486503162016-10-27T14:00:08.378-07:002016-10-27T14:00:08.378-07:00What are the principles . . . For me, the central ...What are the principles . . . For me, the central one is deep democracy, not just in politics but economics. The old line Socialists and Communists were onto something when they talked about "ownership of the means of production" being key . . . but the Soviets showed us that it's no better if the ones running it are some party committee than if it's a bunch of sociopathic capitalists. <br />Actual people have to be in charge, of the factories, of the media, of the banks, of the legislation.<br /><br />There is an obvious problem with this idea, which is scale. Nobody can be involved in making all the decisions in the world. It's one of the reasons Harper's government eventually imploded--he wanted to micromanage everything, and there was way too much everything. But actually, this remains a problem with all representative schemes and hierarchies as well; both representatives and hierarchs drown in information, generally distorted by distance and by self-interest on the part of the subordinates presenting the information. No scheme of government has really defeated the problem to date. <br />Ways I've thought about beating the scale problem for an egalitarian schema would be by splitting it up. <b>Anybody</b> should be able to get involved in deciding about <b>anything</b>, but that doesn't mean <b>everybody</b> has to decide <b>everything</b>. So for any given thing that's currently decided in some government department by appointees of the minister and then leaned on by corporate guys with money, you'd have a self-appointed group of interested people--some experts, some people affected by that sort of decision and so wanting to have a voice, and whoever else felt like getting involved. And normally, that'd be enough. I also envision a certain amount of random participation, with everyone in some number of groups as a public duty like jury duty, to keep things from getting too incestuous.<br />The crucial thing for me is that such groups would be nested, from more specific to broader to the whole population. <b>Broader groups would always be able to override narrower groups</b>, so if some little group started making big broad decisions that messed things up for a lot more people, the lots more people could nix them. So, some issues would be big enough to require a lot of people to get involved in deciding, but normally it would be enough that a representative and on average knowledgeable sample was handling it.<br /><br />I could go on, but that's the back-of-envelope sketch: Deep democracy made workable by splitting up decision-making horizontally rather than vertically.Purple library guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930984683714519212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-10566601893567150992016-10-27T01:19:45.343-07:002016-10-27T01:19:45.343-07:00In response to your thoughtful comments, I'd l...In response to your thoughtful comments, I'd like to pose a question. If you were trying to find an exit from this neoliberal paradigm what would you visualize, what would guide you? What are the principles on which you would want a new economic order established?<br /><br />Please - weigh inThe Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-29109466978091034622016-10-27T01:03:41.793-07:002016-10-27T01:03:41.793-07:00Yeah, Gyor, I keep telling myself that only to fin...Yeah, Gyor, I keep telling myself that only to find out there's far more bile than one could ever imagine.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-77376340151291354992016-10-26T18:22:36.838-07:002016-10-26T18:22:36.838-07:00 After watching the Trump vs. Hillary race to the ... After watching the Trump vs. Hillary race to the bottom, Captain Selfie misgovern Canada in his half assed way, and other assorted BS from around the world, not the least of which is the pathetic mess that passes for leftwing media, I have no bile left, I ran clean out.Gyorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06773307017058386989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-12284169948553295032016-10-26T17:59:29.247-07:002016-10-26T17:59:29.247-07:00excellent read. It didn't have to end this way...excellent read. It didn't have to end this way but real change and all that hopey stuff, and lots of empty promises did the trick - again. Sad.susansmithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02573558646874765432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-69381491265830522612016-10-26T16:39:13.821-07:002016-10-26T16:39:13.821-07:00Re
Now we've got a finance minister, some guy ...<br />Re<br />Now we've got a finance minister, some guy named Morneau, telling the kids that their job security is going to be a lot like the Arctic sea ice - vanishing and then gone. "Sorry kids, but you're fucked. Thanks for playing." Then, like Pilate, he washes his hands of their plight.<br /><br />To be frank ; most of the kids know nothing different.<br />They are so caught up in the system they cannot think past their next pay cheque or cheques!<br />To them consumerism is everything; they will not be denied any trinket, toy ,the latest cellphone or the biggest house they can justify.<br />They are aided by seven year car loans forty plus year mortgages and furniture and tv payments that will commence in a year or more.<br />Sadly their parents( us/we ) have enabled this .<br />Most adults and their kids rush off to Wall*Mart and such thus promoting low wages and low employment standards ; shit we have become no better than our offspring( in most cases)<br />I shudder when I look at the parking lots outside our high schools!<br />BMW's Lexus, SUV's by the dozen!!<br />What are we teaching these kids?<br /><br />TB<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-80318115098460293822016-10-26T15:54:42.337-07:002016-10-26T15:54:42.337-07:00We've been treated to a constant stream of con...We've been treated to a constant stream of condescension from the "that-was-then-this-is now", "there-will-be-some-losers", "unions-have-served-their-purpose" crowd for the last thirty-five years. This "wealth-management" grifter is just the latest. I suppose his kids will be advantageously networked, but I wonder when it was that his family graduated from the metaphorical hammer-and-shovel class.John B.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-55218889540903369292016-10-26T14:40:52.033-07:002016-10-26T14:40:52.033-07:00Mound
Of course the precariat are fucked and Morne...Mound<br />Of course the precariat are fucked and Morneau and his buddies want it that way just another excuse to shovel money at his buddies a la the "Infrastructure Bank" But wait until the Tsunami of the displaced hits the millennials when automation gets a head of steam.<br /><br />How about pushing now for an "automation fund" all of those techie and manufacturing companies that can't wait to put workers under the bus should have their profits derived from cost cutting automation diverted to the EI fund which should be restructured as part of the guaranteed income. Btw I am still waiting for the dividend of the last con - "the leisure society" They fucked us then we will be ready for them next time.Ben Burdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06372169478978720740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-88318846279962815592016-10-26T14:31:14.374-07:002016-10-26T14:31:14.374-07:00When Trudeau faced the protesters at the Canadian ...When Trudeau faced the protesters at the Canadian Labour Congress National Young Workers Summit my first reaction was, <i>what took so long?</i> I've seen enough emails to Trudeau and others in this government that I think they have me on a list to ignore. I certainly haven't been able to change any minds. <br /><br />Morneau definitely doesn't get it just like Chrystia Freeland doesn't get it and Catherine McKenna doesn't get it and Jody Wilson-Raybould may get it but pretends she doesn't. This is beginning to sound like a stuck record. That reporter got it right with her slip calling the PM Justin Harper. <br /><br />Tobynoreply@blogger.com