tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post3107917678926388572..comments2024-03-22T05:20:44.167-07:00Comments on The Disaffected Lib: Afghanistan. We Tried. We Failed. The Mound of Soundhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-73342976939667560362014-01-17T10:53:33.102-08:002014-01-17T10:53:33.102-08:00Also, on that drug money helping the banks: Where...Also, on that drug money helping the banks: Where did that money come from? The drug dealers didn't print the stuff. If it hadn't been spent on drugs, and a great deal of it gone up the chain to be poured as liquidity into banks, it would have been spent in other ways or put in saving accounts in banks. Banks would have gotten some of the liquidity, while whatever they didn't get would have done things on average more generally useful, with fewer negative side effects (addicts, violence) and more tendency to be recycled further and create more jobs.<br />It's similar with the F-35. Lots of profits from the purchase of those will provide liquidity for banks. But the money comes from taxes, and would have been better spent on infrastructure or child care or education or most other things governments spend money on. But banks like industries with concentrated profits so they get to play with more of the results; they don't like ones with lower profits but high multiplier effects because that generally means money is being used many times in the general economy rather than going to the banks.Purple library guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930984683714519212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-64202909977727384232014-01-17T10:43:58.719-08:002014-01-17T10:43:58.719-08:00OK, and major American banks' use of liquidity...OK, and major American banks' use of liquidity helps the US economy as a whole how?<br />Do they lend to real people with it? No, not significantly. Do they create jobs with it? No. They speculate massively, creating more paper wealth for the obscenely rich and building huge bizarrely leveraged castles in the air, that wait to tumble down, carpet-bombing the economic landscape with their wreckage. Drug money by your point is just another bank welfare quantitative easing scheme.<br /><br />Ultimately, devoting tons of effort to creating bads is not good for an economy. Neither is devoting tons of effort to ineffectual crackdowns. Economies are healthy when the shit they do, does stuff that's some good to somebody.Purple library guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930984683714519212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-38454054780075061592014-01-16T15:09:36.045-08:002014-01-16T15:09:36.045-08:00"None of this has anything to do with benefit..."None of this has anything to do with benefits for the US economy as a whole, any more than the F-35 or offshoring jobs or financial deregulation are good for the US economy as a whole"<br /><br />PLG: That is incorrect, please watch my videos. Drug money is an integral part of the U.S. money as it provides liquidity. There is a reason major banks keep getting caught laundering it. The CIA's purpose is to ensure drug money goes through the U.S. economy and U.S. banks. Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15473265775588031435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-25656740269088993152014-01-16T15:03:08.795-08:002014-01-16T15:03:08.795-08:00I was saying ten years ago or more, that we were g...I was saying ten years ago or more, that we were gonna lose.<br />The whole question of opium production is messy and complicated. The US itself is in an internal war about the subject. The CIA has long used such crops as a source of deniable money and of violent, corrupt people who will do evil things for money. Many corrupt Americans, some in high places, profit personally from drugs. Others profit from the war on drugs; some of these really think the war on drugs is for getting rid of drugs, while others don't care if it works as long as it helps their career. The drug warriors for profit and the drug traffickers for profit have a somewhat symbiotic relationship.<br />None of this has anything to do with benefits for the US economy as a whole, any more than the F-35 or offshoring jobs or financial deregulation are good for the US economy as a whole. But there's enough benefits for enough actors with institutional power that I can readily see some US enabling of the Afghan drug trade.<br /><br />Meanwhile, from the Afghan point of view, it's a no-brainer. Poppy is by far the most lucrative cash crop, and when your house could get blown up any day you never know when you'll need money. It's a bit risky, but in Afghanistan there is no escape from risk. So, what to grow, what to grow?Purple library guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930984683714519212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-7816105016812808282014-01-16T13:58:19.716-08:002014-01-16T13:58:19.716-08:00After the Taliban had just finished destroying it?...After the Taliban had just finished destroying it? Or is it that now that the U.S. was in their country and was taking advantage of opium production after the _U.S._ finished destroying their agricultural crops, invading their homes, etc, that they decided to use opium funds for their own gain again and as well now that they were at war?<br /><br />It's definitely a criminal enterprise, but the majority of the production out of there is being lead by the U.S.<br /><br />Watch the videos, drug money is completely necessary for the U.S. economy. Opium production was at it's lowest levels BEFORE the U.S. invasion, and afterwards has been steadily climbing. That's not by chance, or by accident.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15473265775588031435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-52160184622984102732014-01-16T13:43:34.846-08:002014-01-16T13:43:34.846-08:00I prefer the explanation given a few years ago by ...I prefer the explanation given a few years ago by Chatham House in which Afghanistan was described as a "criminal enterprise" in which the constituent elements were the state (warlords), the drug lords and the insurgents who, together, collaborated in building the opium industry.<br /><br />The west has already wrapped up the combat role, babysitting the Afghans' unresolved civil war, and will be a bystander force next year. Karzai's leaving in 2014 and there's no clear successor on the horizon. The Talibs are resurgent. The non-Pashtun warlords are said to be busy prepping for the resumption of ethnic struggles. The cops and security services are bent. The army may simply dissolve into constituent, ethnic militias. Chaos reigns.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-47247397356105552502014-01-16T13:31:52.581-08:002014-01-16T13:31:52.581-08:00Michael Ruppert has been covering this for a long ...Michael Ruppert has been covering this for a long time.<br /><br />CIA and Drug Running: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rFWDHQcIG8 - How they do it.<br /><br />Truth and lies of 9/11: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZNvSX3A7pc - Why they do it (this is where he describes why drugs are important for the U.S. economy)<br /><br />Interview with a U.S. soldier about them guarding the opium poppies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_54LJMwG4E<br /><br />Of course the soldier in question believes the same lies everyone else is told, but you look at the record rises in production under U.S. control and explain it :)Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15473265775588031435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-52212611315945806722014-01-16T12:41:20.282-08:002014-01-16T12:41:20.282-08:00I don't know that I can go that far, Richard. ...I don't know that I can go that far, Richard. I don't see how importing drugs from Afghanistan puts money into the U.S. economy.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-4104828298275241592014-01-16T11:24:15.408-08:002014-01-16T11:24:15.408-08:00Funny they don't mention the opium fields bein...Funny they don't mention the opium fields being guarded by the U.S. military and CIA. Gee, I wonder why.<br /><br />Nor do they mention that prior to the invasion opium production was at it's lowest levels ever because the Taliban destroyed the fields. The U.S. can pretend all it wants that it's trying to get rid of it but in reality they are one of the primary reasons the U.S. is there, to inject those drugs and the associated money into the U.S. economy.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15473265775588031435noreply@blogger.com