tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post3628795160170582128..comments2024-03-22T05:20:44.167-07:00Comments on The Disaffected Lib: Now, More Than Ever - Boycott/Divest/SanctionThe Mound of Soundhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-52134662038474074592016-05-25T11:53:49.158-07:002016-05-25T11:53:49.158-07:00In your question how would Pierre Trudeau respond ...In your question how would Pierre Trudeau respond to the BDS motion, I can of course only hazard a guess based on his decisions and policies while in office.Trudeau was never afraid to make decisions or create policy that brought him criticism, and sometimes strong criticism. His creation of bilingual and multicultural policy comes to mind. When he created The Multicultural Act, it took me awhile to realize that he was ahead of his time.I don't think any other country created legislation in support of Multiculturism. It created an inclusive culture in Canada for new immigrants. A first Nations concept by the way. I lived in Toronto at a time when it was mainly a protestant,white bread excrutiatingly dull culture. Immigrants then came from all over the world. There are now over 100 languages spoken in Toronto. People of all races, religions and customs not only living together but thriving. I love it. This diverse massive immigration was done without riots, without violence and without protests. This was because of Pierre Trudeau, this was his vision come to life. Actually he was also ahead of his time in initiating the The Charter of Rights and Freedoms, because it is one of the few or only Constitutions that contains along with individual rights, group rights. If I am incorrect about this please let me know.<br /><br />Trudeau believed that if you consider another country your enemy, then you need to talk and negotiate with that country. He did not believe that a military build up was the only solution. This thinking he put into practice by visiting China, Russia and Cuba. He was villified by the US government and the US right wing media. He was also villified by the Canadian right wing media. Trudeau also strongly believed that Canada should have an independent foreign policy. He meant independent of the US/NATO foreign policy. In fact he wanted to take Canada out of NATO, but was talked out of it.<br /><br /> <br /><br />Trudeau also allowed US draft dodgers to come to Canada. 50K of them came. He even said that he would like Canada to be a military refuge.<br /><br />When the Vietnamese boat people were without country, Trudeau reached out and took in all 60k of them. If I'm incorrect about Trudeau initiating this decision please let me know. When Idi Amin was murdering the Asian Muslims living in Uganda, their leader The Agha Khan phoned Pierre Trudeau and asked if they could come to Canada. There was I think about 10 to 15k of them. Trudeau said yes. <br /><br />This is only a few of his policies and decisions, but they all share something in common. The outcome of each decision whether implicitly or explicitly effected human lives and Pierre Trudeau knew it. <br /><br />Would Pierre Trudeau have supported the BDS motion? No, I don't think so. The Israeli genocide and oppression of the Palestinians would have bothered him and supporting the BDS motion would have meant sanctioning that continued genocide and oppression. As to him being demonized as an antisemite that would have had little if any effect on him, because Pierre Trudeau had a conscience and knew to the very core of his being who he was. <br /><br />Mound, you probably know much more about Pierre Trudeau then I do. I get the sense, although I may be wrong, that you knew him directly or knew him through your work in the Liberal Party. I'd be curious what you think his decision would be on the BDS motion.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07842215982128591742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-4239270037305153172016-05-24T19:04:55.936-07:002016-05-24T19:04:55.936-07:00This was a private members bill presented by Tim H...This was a private members bill presented by Tim Hudak and a Liberal named Mike Cole. In part it was meant to prevent the Provincial government from dealing with companies who do not support the BDS motion. Ultimately it was meant to stop individuals, companies and organizations from practicing BDS against Israel.When people got wind of this they took action and contacted their legislator some by phone, but I should have also mentioned some by email.The bill was voted down.Hudak's comments were absured. I think Canadians are fed up with the conservative's trying to control free speech by trying to pass bills like this. Hudak may have thought that the BDS motion was supported Federally, so it would have chance provincially.<br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07842215982128591742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-3904658735931546322016-05-24T18:37:57.458-07:002016-05-24T18:37:57.458-07:00Pamela, when you mentioned MLAs getting phone call...Pamela, when you mentioned MLAs getting phone calls on this I wondered how likely would the ordinary guy be to go to the effort of calling his/her legislator on something like this. I wonder what the results would have been had the government commissioned a poll instead of going with phone calls.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-79033282465817485682016-05-24T17:27:45.422-07:002016-05-24T17:27:45.422-07:00Hi Mound. No the Ontario Government didn't ini...Hi Mound. No the Ontario Government didn't initially refuse to support the BDS. I don't know why provincially, they decided to hold a vote, but that's when people contacted the legislators and told them that we do not support BDS approval.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07842215982128591742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-82025852135472207492016-05-24T16:58:37.798-07:002016-05-24T16:58:37.798-07:00Here's another point. How do you think Pierre ...Here's another point. How do you think Pierre Trudeau would have responded to B/D/S?The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-90145421938409583142016-05-24T16:57:26.711-07:002016-05-24T16:57:26.711-07:00Hi Pamela. Sorry, I'm a bit confused. Are you ...Hi Pamela. Sorry, I'm a bit confused. Are you saying the Ontario government initially refused to support B/D/S but then switched because of the will of the Ontario people? If so that's a damn sight better than we got out of our federal government.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-4093133710971823422016-05-24T16:00:50.255-07:002016-05-24T16:00:50.255-07:00@PMN, all parties are cowards when it comes to B/D...@PMN, all parties are cowards when it comes to B/D/S. Apologists for Israel crimes and their enablers have done a great job to suppress common sense with cries of "Anti-semite". <br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-36065742938491958482016-05-24T15:16:21.483-07:002016-05-24T15:16:21.483-07:00"Trudeau's decision to join in censuring ..."Trudeau's decision to join in censuring B/D/S was based on a calculated assessment of how refusal could be used against the Liberal government by the Tories." That's incredible Mound! What you are saying is that Trudeau felt he had no argument moral and other wise in any argument against the Tories if they attacked him for saying NO to approving the B/D/S motion. What it says to me is that Trudeau and his Liberals are flat out cowards! If Trudeau and his Liberal government do not have the necessary confidence in their own ability to make the right decisions based on principle and then be able to support those decisions against their critics, they have forfeited the intellectual and moral authority to lead this country.The Ontario legislator just voted and said NO they would not support approval of the BDS motion. Individual citizens contacted the legislators and let them know that the people of Ontario do not support approving this BDS motion. They listened. If I could ask Trudeau one question face to face, it would be, why do you want to be the Prime Minister of Canada. It is early days and you have already shown that Canadian interest mean nothing to you, so again, why do you want to be The Prime Minister of Canada?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07842215982128591742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-91028363170358265162016-05-24T08:57:16.361-07:002016-05-24T08:57:16.361-07:00Ultimately, Sal, Trudeau's decision to join in...Ultimately, Sal, Trudeau's decision to join in censuring B/D/S was based on a calculated assessment of how refusal could be used against the Liberal government by the Tories. It was a purely craven, political decision that Trudeau had no right to take on behalf of Canadians.<br /><br />This was one of the incidents that led me to call Trudeau "Slick." Montreal Simon really takes offence at that. He seems to believe that Trudeau, by virtue of not being Harper, deserves to be treated with reverence. Fuck that.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-30979515515867199862016-05-24T08:27:54.606-07:002016-05-24T08:27:54.606-07:00Sal, we have a Prime Minister of Canada pimping hi...Sal, we have a Prime Minister of Canada pimping himself for the Tar Sands, the pipeline industry, Saudi war wagons, and the whole neo-liberal agenda; why not this?Tobynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-61284919936330741222016-05-24T07:35:37.554-07:002016-05-24T07:35:37.554-07:00.. uggh ..
That's about all I can muster this..... uggh ..<br /><br />That's about all I can muster this morning re this article ..<br />and the shocking factual reality it describes & represents ..<br />I dare not get started on how a Prime Minister of Canada<br />could pimp his 'values' or beliefs on this reality.. as ours<br /><br />.. uggh ..the salamanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06853337802990122289noreply@blogger.com