tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post6245776485121494482..comments2024-03-18T21:55:56.412-07:00Comments on The Disaffected Lib: Just Stopped By to Say "Hi"The Mound of Soundhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-42900888569042479902015-05-24T13:37:18.955-07:002015-05-24T13:37:18.955-07:00Hi, Dana. Here's the account of the Oregon dea...Hi, Dana. Here's the account of the Oregon dead zone as I understand it. This might be unique to Oregon/Washington.<br /><br />http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2009/10/summer_dead_zones_off_oregon_c.htmlThe Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-4623252762078985272015-05-24T11:12:34.579-07:002015-05-24T11:12:34.579-07:00The NOAA site is where I found this:
"Water ...The NOAA site is where I found this:<br /><br />"Water that rises to the surface as a result of upwelling is typically colder and is rich in nutrients. These nutrients “fertilize” surface waters, meaning that these surface waters often have high biological productivity. Therefore, good fishing grounds typically are found where upwelling is common."<br /><br />http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/upwelling.html<br /><br />That's what prompted me to ask. <br /><br />Danahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12465953801145126160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-72417960622252478942015-05-24T10:49:08.155-07:002015-05-24T10:49:08.155-07:00Actually I think you've got that wrong, Dana. ...Actually I think you've got that wrong, Dana. Think of all of those magnificent, 19th century wooden wrecks that line the bottom of the Great Lakes. They've been preserved by the depth and coldness of the water. The lake bottom is actually lifeless.<br /><br />Paleontologist Peter Ward wrote "Under a Green Sky" about past extinction events during high CO2 concentrations. As oceans acidify, surface marine life is killed off. Algae emerge to take over due largely to the ability of sunlight to penetrate to greater depths. It's when that enormous biomass of algae dies and sinks to the bottom and rots that it begins to release what reaches the surface as hydrogen sulfide.<br /><br />As for upwelling, I believe that is due in large part to changing surface wind conditions. It's fluctuations in surface wind conditions that wreak such havoc as to give us potentially destructive El Nino and La Nina events. I find the science behind this stuff pretty difficult to digest. You can find a far better explanation of it at NOAA's web site.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-89417412603179205942015-05-24T09:31:13.607-07:002015-05-24T09:31:13.607-07:00I can understand the contamination from agricultur...I can understand the contamination from agricultural runoff but deep water upwelling I don't understand unless perhaps it's related to the runoff problem. <br /><br />Deep water is colder and nutrient rich and both of those qualities would be desirable I would have thought. Danahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12465953801145126160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-22165737457199713972015-05-24T07:32:42.549-07:002015-05-24T07:32:42.549-07:00@ Anon. Your dismissive remarks are irrelevant to...@ Anon. Your dismissive remarks are irrelevant to me. Dark Mountain has not shaped my beliefs in any respect. It simply mirrors what I have long ago concluded. That you don't find their prose to your liking - well, that's your problem.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-40739757246587821312015-05-24T07:30:41.853-07:002015-05-24T07:30:41.853-07:00@ Hugh - yes, I agree, growth is a problem for BC....@ Hugh - yes, I agree, growth is a problem for BC. We look around, see the mountains and all that empty space and figure we're awash in development capacity. It's just the opposite.<br /><br />Much of the interior is desert with limited water resources and seasonal precip. It can be heavily impacted by excessive residential and agricultural development.<br /><br />The coastal ecology is different yet more susceptible to growth impacts. Our population centre, the Lower Mainland, is already a mess. Anyone who recalls Vancouver from the 60s and 70s knows how the region has been transformed under the burden of overpopulation.<br /><br />The combined effect of mountains, inlets and rivers creates natural "choke points" that restrict development and movement. That accounts for why so many face daily commutes of an hour or two each way. It also increases the pressure to keep spreading development up mountain slopes with the attendant problems of flooding and slides.<br /><br />I believe it was back during the Martin government, perhaps the Chretien era, that EnviroCan did an ecological survey of the Lower Mainland and found it already had a population three times greater than the area's ecological carrying capacity. The pop. has swollen mightily since then.<br /><br />A measure of our overpopulation is the constant struggle of protecting our rather finite agricultural land base against the demands for commercial and residential development. Our dependency on imported food leaves us susceptible to disruptions caused by crop failures or instability elsewhere.<br /><br />It's hard to imagine a government that would or, even if it wanted to, could curb much less shrink growth out here. Who knows, maybe they like "Blade Runner"?<br /><br />And the band played on.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-31776115669547478532015-05-24T07:04:42.675-07:002015-05-24T07:04:42.675-07:00@ Sal - flattery will get you everywhere. see you...@ Sal - flattery will get you everywhere. see you soon.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-38173870876590879842015-05-24T07:02:22.681-07:002015-05-24T07:02:22.681-07:00
@ Dana - chemical contamination, especially agric...<br />@ Dana - chemical contamination, especially agricultural runoff, is another contributor. This is prevalent in the Gulf from the Mississippi discharge but occurs to a lesser extent elsewhere. Another force is deepwater upwelling.<br /><br />The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-76780030249352308762015-05-24T05:48:00.498-07:002015-05-24T05:48:00.498-07:00The BC and Canada governments keep blabbing on abo...The BC and Canada governments keep blabbing on about how we "need economic growth". <br /><br />We don't - we need to shrink the economy in order to survive.<br /><br />I think this is a major issue.Hughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-92182616568036579572015-05-24T05:25:35.276-07:002015-05-24T05:25:35.276-07:00.. you have no idea how powerfully your diverse, i..... you have no idea how powerfully your diverse, informative & challenging posts encourage me.. Mound<br /><br />I assume the posts hit other readers in unique ways as well.. and stimulate their perceptions, beliefs & efforts.<br /><br />I'm putting more effort into Twitter, comments & will soon start manipulating imagery, primarily photo collage with poetry and brief text graphics.<br /><br />Much of the fuel & guidance systems for these little visual rockets has been lifted from your pages and others.. plus from mainstream news.<br /><br />Fire that big bike up.. check on the Joshua Tree and keep up the excellent and critical work. There's lots of serious work to be done.. and revealing what malignant creeps are in control of Canada's government will point out what kind of people are actually required.the salamanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06853337802990122289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-21281412085972852052015-05-23T22:50:58.392-07:002015-05-23T22:50:58.392-07:00I wish I was Pierre Poilievre. Big salary, limo, ...I wish I was Pierre Poilievre. Big salary, limo, free taxpayer funded buffets, with a gold plated taxpayer funded pension at the end of it all.<br /><br />But I'm not PP, so I just call 'em as I see 'em. 'Dark Mountain' strikes me as being little more than a middle-class cult. I apologize for making that suggestion, but I read the 'manifesto' and that's how I see it.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-25905030550288872512015-05-23T21:16:48.638-07:002015-05-23T21:16:48.638-07:00Sweet.
Not every blog gets a response from Pierr...Sweet. <br /><br />Not every blog gets a response from Pierre Polievre, the devil's fellator himself.Danahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12465953801145126160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-72907134785330725842015-05-23T20:43:06.870-07:002015-05-23T20:43:06.870-07:00'Dark Mountain'? Seriously? Some pretentio...'Dark Mountain'? Seriously? Some pretentious middle-class salon that passes itself off as enlightened?<br /><br />See you on the other side, Mound. On second thought, probably not.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-88472017425811477532015-05-23T19:15:45.499-07:002015-05-23T19:15:45.499-07:00What would the other causes of the reduction of oc...What would the other causes of the reduction of oceanic oxygen be? <br /><br />Causes that have no connection to carbon overload. Danahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12465953801145126160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-60473713190985946642015-05-23T18:29:24.409-07:002015-05-23T18:29:24.409-07:00It certainly is a knock on effect from excessive a...It certainly is a knock on effect from excessive atmospheric CO2 loading. We're already seeing it in these hypoxic oceanic "dead zones." It's not the sole cause but it is a contributing factor and its progression is linear.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-67369336002820113392015-05-23T17:34:55.332-07:002015-05-23T17:34:55.332-07:00I don't think our species will be wiped out by...I don't think our species will be wiped out by climate change. There's a much greater, longer-term threat to air breathing life, ocean acidification and the hypoxic poisoning of our atmosphere with released hydrogen sulfide."<br /><br />I think each of those things is a direct result of anthropegnic climate change, are they not? Danahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12465953801145126160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-47901842094834435442015-05-23T16:04:14.460-07:002015-05-23T16:04:14.460-07:00Have fun MoSHave fun MoSFfivdhttp://www.ffibnomol.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-65364438790424378182015-05-23T16:02:42.490-07:002015-05-23T16:02:42.490-07:00@ Dana - I chortled a bit this morning as I read a...@ Dana - I chortled a bit this morning as I read an opinion piece from the CEO of Royal Dutch Shell essentially conceding that some fossil fuels will have to be left, untouched, just not oil or gas. With that he deftly slid in the now pretty well discredited notion that carbon capture and sequestration solutions are just around the corner.<br /><br />What struck me as amusing was his forecast that global energy use would be "zero carbon" by the end of the century. It may but just not how he so cheerfully expects it to happen.<br /><br />http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/22/shell-climate-idUSL3N0YD5U120150522<br /><br />I don't think our species will be wiped out by climate change. There's a much greater, longer-term threat to air breathing life, ocean acidification and the hypoxic poisoning of our atmosphere with released hydrogen sulfide.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Ward_(paleontologist)The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-89996264421913537272015-05-23T15:45:19.793-07:002015-05-23T15:45:19.793-07:00@ Pamela - we certainly have regressed since the R...@ Pamela - we certainly have regressed since the Reagan/Thatcher/Mulroney era ushered in the reality of neoliberalism, market fundamentalism at the direct expense of liberal democracy. Now it has captured our institutions - political, financial, commercial - in a very directed pursuit of economic, political and social inequality. Today even the NDP has capitulated to it.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-10266859198864176492015-05-23T15:42:04.441-07:002015-05-23T15:42:04.441-07:00@ Longstaff. Don't worry, Bill, you haven'...@ Longstaff. Don't worry, Bill, you haven't heard the last of me. I still visit your site.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-43102389623936978282015-05-23T15:41:10.369-07:002015-05-23T15:41:10.369-07:00@ anyong - a trip to the wilderness sounds perfect...@ anyong - a trip to the wilderness sounds perfect. I'm trying to figure out if I have it in me for one more motorcycle ride to the desert. I've always wanted to ride Joshua Tree national park.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-11890041763992098012015-05-23T15:39:17.142-07:002015-05-23T15:39:17.142-07:00@ Marie - yes we have succumbed to worship immedia...@ Marie - yes we have succumbed to worship immediate self-interest. At times like those you're experiencing there's relief in a bit of brain candy like this:<br /><br />http://billmoyers.com/content/world-ideas-conclusion/The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-51417827848829360692015-05-23T14:28:15.730-07:002015-05-23T14:28:15.730-07:00Pretty lousy result after all those years of evolu...Pretty lousy result after all those years of evolution, I must say.<br /><br />I wonder how the proponents of the anthropic principle are handling their depression. Anyway that notion has always struck me as an attempt to maintain the supremacy of humanity atop the pyramid without resorting to "and then a miracle happened". Looking at a couple of websites I see their pushing for intelligent life to be confirmed on Mars. Poor Mars. <br /><br />I have this vision of the last human screaming at the sky; "But you're the one who made me conscious and gave me an opposable thumb, what did you think would happen, you asshole."<br /><br />As I've said to you before I mainly hope some of the earth biosphere survives us but it's a near certainty that we won't survive ourselves. <br /><br />Homo sapiens sapiens is auto-exterminant. <br /><br />Given the evidence on this planet, all conscious life forms with opposable thumbs may be auto-exterminant. <br /><br />Evolution can't compete with sparkly things that go vroom, whoosh and bang. <br />Danahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12465953801145126160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-16539243219878170352015-05-23T12:58:48.689-07:002015-05-23T12:58:48.689-07:00We have never had a civilization. The 21st century...We have never had a civilization. The 21st century hasn't advanced in thought and action, in fact it has regressed.The rise of fundamental christianity is a reflection of intellectual bankruptcy. You know that culturally we are in a wasteland when our political leaders embrace evangelical fundamental chritianity and are never challenged by anyone on their beliefs. The price of thinking conceptually and independently is isolation and sometimes loneliness. Your blog and a number of others are a refuge for the intelligent, for those who take ideas seriously. The history of humanity has essentialy been a history war and domination. We live in a society that exalts sports as the greatest achievement. Achievments of the mind are not only not acknowledged, the mind itself is disregarded. Yet it is the human mind that has made our survival possible.It is only through thinking that one acquires knowledge and it is only through applying knowledge that the human race advances. Civilization? More pre-civlization.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07842215982128591742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-52479821278646174852015-05-23T12:48:55.016-07:002015-05-23T12:48:55.016-07:00Don't make your interruptions too occasional, ...Don't make your interruptions too occasional, Mound.Bill Longstaffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15883751372039947365noreply@blogger.com