tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post6540800036183290555..comments2024-03-22T05:20:44.167-07:00Comments on The Disaffected Lib: And Then What?The Mound of Soundhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-84904273571448183192017-10-15T05:02:42.058-07:002017-10-15T05:02:42.058-07:00Australia didn't choose the Scorpene class but...Australia didn't choose the Scorpene class but the Barracuda class, which is still undergoing sea trials. The french version is nuclear but they will be redesigned with diesel electric propulsion for the Australian Navy.Francescohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16133429861667852930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-35173081352719645012016-09-10T12:35:13.383-07:002016-09-10T12:35:13.383-07:00Yep its more tribute for the Empire. We could patr...Yep its more tribute for the Empire. We could patrol our shorelines with replicas of the bluenose and modern drone stealth torpedos. If our mission was not plausable deny ablity . Our job is to sneak players ashore where the big nuke subs cant go.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14162783936999869984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-15411525429872523962016-09-09T19:41:31.534-07:002016-09-09T19:41:31.534-07:00The submarine argument is somewhat like the F35 ar...The submarine argument is somewhat like the F35 argument.<br />I ask; who do we go to war against?<br />WE have an indefensible coastline.<br />We have an undisclosed foreign policy!<br /><br /><br />TB<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-53164575183220673082016-09-09T13:40:22.563-07:002016-09-09T13:40:22.563-07:00Hi, Chris. In looking at the specs I was surprised...Hi, Chris. In looking at the specs I was surprised to see the 212 had a crush depth of over 2,000 feet. That's impressive.<br /><br />Still we're stuck with the reality that, new boats or old, we'll probably never field more than four to six. That's damned few for a nation with the world's longest coastline.<br /><br />Despite what the Vice Admiral claims, I think we're really after subs to play our part in NATO sea power.<br />The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-14100006756249571632016-09-09T13:36:31.820-07:002016-09-09T13:36:31.820-07:00
TB, yes some Scorpene documents were leaked/stole...<br />TB, yes some Scorpene documents were leaked/stolen. Not sure how compromised the design is. Australia seems intent on proceeding.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-1163200662275033152016-09-09T13:35:42.224-07:002016-09-09T13:35:42.224-07:00You're right, Owen. It is a massive expense an...<br />You're right, Owen. It is a massive expense and, right now, Canada does not seem inclined to grand projects. Harper talked a good game but he also presided over the steady decline of defence spending to under 1% GDP. Justin doesn't seem to have much more appetite for this form of spending than his predecessor.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-52981221041919423372016-09-09T13:27:34.502-07:002016-09-09T13:27:34.502-07:00"The one strategic asset that allows you to u..."The one strategic asset that allows you to understand what’s operating below the water is a submarine. Nothing else can replace that." -- Vice Admiral Ron Lloyd<br /><br />That's an odd sales job by our Vice Admiral. Most of the time your typical submarine isn't diving deeply. And the ocean is huge: are we satisfied knowing nothing about an area when the sub isn't there? Seems like it.<br /><br />Submarines might be good for sneaking up to monitor ships, among other things. They are somewhat useful things. But if Canada really wants to understand what's going on below the water line, they need a buoy network, numerous autonomous submarines and surface vessels, and a greatly expanded military-use, fault tolerant <a href="http://www.oceannetworks.ca/" rel="nofollow">Neptune-like</a> network everywhere on our coasts.<br /><br />Having an effective sub-surface defense network might be more expensive than buying submarines. It might even incorporate subs with Humans inside. But if the plan is just "buy subs to replace the dingy buckets we have now" then that's not much better than a placebo treatment for coastal defense.crfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10726414637021391906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-84055474480917375182016-09-09T12:20:55.221-07:002016-09-09T12:20:55.221-07:00Maybe not the Scorpene class
!http://www.ndtv.com/...Maybe not the Scorpene class<br />!http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/top-secret-data-on-indias-scorpene-submarine-leaked-says-report-1449447<br /><br />TBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-64243806016797417312016-09-09T10:59:41.705-07:002016-09-09T10:59:41.705-07:00There's a simple truth at the centre of this, ...There's a simple truth at the centre of this, Mound. You can't equip the navy on the cheap.Owen Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06464860078574618579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-49245209266302936182016-09-09T10:53:07.573-07:002016-09-09T10:53:07.573-07:00That's my take also, UU4077.That's my take also, UU4077.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-45141571967115697932016-09-09T09:59:54.892-07:002016-09-09T09:59:54.892-07:00The RCN should scrap the Upholder Class and buy th...The RCN should scrap the Upholder Class and buy the German Type 212. The costs alone would justify such a move, never mind the vastly improved technology and the reduced complement required to run the thing (almost half).UU4077https://www.blogger.com/profile/10350775839411436865noreply@blogger.com