tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post2013654947909547045..comments2024-03-18T21:55:56.412-07:00Comments on The Disaffected Lib: We Need Another CharterThe Mound of Soundhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-26857758195527386432012-11-16T19:58:57.908-08:002012-11-16T19:58:57.908-08:00Hi Bill. I think we need to enshrine not just spe...Hi Bill. I think we need to enshrine not just specific rights but also general values upon which our society is founded. Many of the articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, notably 12, 18 and 22 through 26, should be explicitly restated in a charter. <br /><br />We seem to be getting to a point at which we need to prescribe standards by which government shall interact with the Canadian public.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-27163424122844745502012-11-16T17:41:24.216-08:002012-11-16T17:41:24.216-08:00I have always been intrigued that constitutions ha...I have always been intrigued that constitutions have a habit of omitting the most basic rights of all, those of food and shelter, and in a modern society one might add health and education. I was impressed, therefore, when the South African Constitution included all these. We might revisit ours keeping theirs in mind. Bill Longstaffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15883751372039947365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-84874692534496771972012-11-16T14:47:47.781-08:002012-11-16T14:47:47.781-08:00I totally agree, PLG. We need to wrest control of...I totally agree, PLG. We need to wrest control of our government from the influence of corporatism. That's not going to be easy and, even if achieved, it will have to be guarded with great vigilance. <br /><br />Change is coming and, by all accounts, it's already setting in sooner and more fiercely than we had predicted. The issue becomes who gets to control how we respond to these impacts? The way our governments operate right now, the default option is "disaster capitalism." If we don't like that, we have to change it and that means changing the ways we consent to be governed.<br /><br />Time is not on our side. The people we're up against know it.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-38791926057658211742012-11-16T14:31:38.105-08:002012-11-16T14:31:38.105-08:00Salamder, it is not only the Harper Conservatives ...Salamder, it is not only the Harper Conservatives who want to undermine the Charter of rights and Freedoms but also Ontario Liberals. They passed legislation, Bill 115 (with help of PCs) that prevents collective bargaining for education workers, and states they can't seek recourse from the courts in contravening Labour law and human rights law.<br /><br />And in a by election in September, Justin Trudeau sent out a robocall telling voters to vote for the liberal candidate, to give the Libs a majority and thus pass the human rights violating legislation. <br /><br />So both Liberals and Conservatives both see the "Charter" as an inconvenience when it as seen as inconveniencing them - just sayin!susansmithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02573558646874765432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-67477691993756930662012-11-16T13:56:36.529-08:002012-11-16T13:56:36.529-08:00Bingo .. you hit the nail on the head .. !
The Ch...Bingo .. you hit the nail on the head .. !<br /><br />The Charter... !! A Trudeau leftover<br />In the dull eyes of Stephen Harper, very dangerous.. <br />.. in the way of some jobs, economic experiments, <br />his government and electoral control.<br /><br />While you're thinking of how it can be enhanced<br />brought to higher, distinct value for Canadians<br />Stephen Harper is looking at how to disparage-damage it..<br />drag it down. weakening it via pipeline litigation, the Indian Act or whatever loophole can be exploited..<br /><br />The current example ?<br /><br />- First Nations treaties are impediment to tar sands, China pipeline, VLCC tankers into Kitimaat and unregulated fracking<br /><br />- The Charter protects First Nation treaties<br />The Supreme Court is the advocate for The Charter<br /><br />- Answer ? Attack The Charter, attack or subvert The Supreme Court.. attack the environment by changing laws that protected it, kill off adverse and problematic creatures such as caribou or orca or bears or salmon by attacking their habitat<br /><br />If Stephen Harper could just attack Canadians or jail them .. he would.. After all .. Canadians are also impediments to extracting and selling resources.. So he threatens us, attacks our habitat .. Its become automatic.. charities, elders, pensions.. all targets<br /><br />He actually has stooges that buy into the nonsense. Thank you Mr Baird, for your previous service.. you are dismissed. Thank you Mr Mackay .. dismissed .. Thank you Mr Kenney .. Mr Toews, Mr Fantino, Mr Clemnet .. All dismissed .. and pray your legacy aint as bad as it really appears to be.. <br /><br />No.. you won't get a commemorative stamp Mr Harper.. <br />If you do.. I hope it includes a tube of lipstick and a pig.<br /><br />the salamanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06853337802990122289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-90529529204832811402012-11-16T13:18:36.221-08:002012-11-16T13:18:36.221-08:00I'm on board with the idea of a new/expanded c...I'm on board with the idea of a new/expanded charter. I do think it's possible to include some issues, human needs, that only the left seems interested in providing for. But at the same time it has to be as a matter of principle, not a description of specific policies and programs--that's not what a constitutional document is for.<br /><br />I think the Venezuelan constitution is well worth a look in this connection, including as it does various guarantees such as health care and education, but also ideas of "protagonistic" democracy that are much richer than the typical constitutional ideas of representation.Purple library guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930984683714519212noreply@blogger.com