tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post3045207303359554921..comments2024-03-22T05:20:44.167-07:00Comments on The Disaffected Lib: Iggy - Not So FastThe Mound of Soundhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-33448614786593732692009-09-08T07:21:03.323-07:002009-09-08T07:21:03.323-07:00Well said Louis. Thanks. And I took a moment to ...Well said Louis. Thanks. And I took a moment to check out your photo gallery. Great.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-15571959788699217122009-09-08T05:31:31.237-07:002009-09-08T05:31:31.237-07:00Our institutions - government, political parties (...Our institutions - government, political parties (that would be the Liberals and the Conservatives) and media - seem to suffer a peculiar aversion to discussing or debating the tar sands - their pros and cons - in any substantive or meaningful way. What passes for debate in Canada is a ritualized us vs. them (eastern Canada vs. west, Calgary vs. Toronto, industry vs. enviros) flailing about which does little to enlighten Canadians about what they're doing in their own back yard. Or, as in the blog, some seem to get hung up on whether they should be called oil or tar sands. Absent meaningful discussion and debate, absent too the trappings of democratic process and public (or private) accountability and we Canadians are left with an extremely narrow conception of the public good as defined for us by public officials (political and civil servants) virtually in lockstep with industry. The externalities of, say, polluting the third largest watershed in the world or the Canadian dollar's new found status as a petro-currency be damned. This can't be good for anyone - even industry, in the long run. Ironically, it seems only when the issue is moved 'offshore' into the US and Europe to be discussed and debated by non-Canadians that it gets a more substantive treatment in the Canadian political process and media. For those who would like to see what it actually looks like some photographs at http://www.beautifuldestruction.ca and http://www.louishelbig.comLouis Helbighttp://www.louishelbig.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-58031257604548249142009-09-06T13:26:32.877-07:002009-09-06T13:26:32.877-07:00A Morris, what is the difference between Iggy and ...A Morris, what is the difference between Iggy and Harper? Two sides of the same coin. Iggy has a tendency for stumbles and could lose badly and I for one will be shedding no tears, as I see no difference between these two as it stands now. Liberals need a new leader and that is the election I can support.LeDarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12526776746689708239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-46195243358388847922009-09-06T12:34:42.351-07:002009-09-06T12:34:42.351-07:00With the kind of process the "tar sands"...With the kind of process the "tar sands" go through to obtain "synthetic" oil, how could anyone possibly call it "oil sands"? It is what it is, tar!! Iggy needs to ask the Canadian people what it is that most concerns them before he does anything. He would get a lot more respect by doing so, rather than trying to make a mad dash for the PM's office. What the people of Canada see now, is what they are going to get with Iggy in power...it will only be a different face. A. MorrisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-31130485416253922009-09-06T11:49:51.927-07:002009-09-06T11:49:51.927-07:00Former Alberta Progressive Conservative premier ha...Former Alberta Progressive Conservative premier has referred to them as the tar sands. It's a marketing ploy only to call them oil sands instead.Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08107622422843170178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-40896833238887939382009-09-06T11:04:21.470-07:002009-09-06T11:04:21.470-07:00I suppose you're right Cat and, given my impat...I suppose you're right Cat and, given my impatience with Iggy so far, I probably shouldn't complain. That said I think this is an issue that could cost Harper a lot of support if allowed to develop. Of course who's to say Iggy wouldn't do the same deal to preserve the Tar Sands?The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-90722445817757519692009-09-06T10:19:16.769-07:002009-09-06T10:19:16.769-07:00That train has already left the station; the only ...That train has already left the station; the only thing outstanding is the timing of Liberal votes against the Tory government, each and every time until the Tory government is voted down.CuriosityCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12485015529428901518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-27546416550807364792009-09-06T10:04:16.902-07:002009-09-06T10:04:16.902-07:00It's the voters in the 'rest of Canada'...It's the voters in the 'rest of Canada' you need to give Harper blowback Scott, not a few provincial politicians. Moving quickly merely takes Harper off the hook before that discontent can develop.<br /><br />And, Jesse, they're the "Tar Sands" to me and most of the world. They're sure as hell not "Oil Sands" as claimed by Stelmach, Harper and Ignatieff.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-45324478022924225962009-09-06T09:41:27.415-07:002009-09-06T09:41:27.415-07:00MOS - I disagree - you can't get a "Harpe...MOS - I disagree - you can't get a "Harper head on a platter" until you attack Harper in an election campaign using this. If the provinces outside of Alta/Sask are already giving the Harperites extreme blowback.. all the better to use it in an election campaign.Oxford County Liberalshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181314055142726735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-65918670484448624772009-09-06T09:29:29.987-07:002009-09-06T09:29:29.987-07:00Just for clarification purposes, there is no such ...Just for clarification purposes, there is no such thing as the Athabasca 'Tar' sands.Jessehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07421984756239772134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-79146732160868324862009-09-06T09:19:14.282-07:002009-09-06T09:19:14.282-07:00Why? Because Harper would probably inflict enormo...Why? Because Harper would probably inflict enormous damage on the CPC from this everywhere except Alberta and Saskatchewan.<br /><br />I think Steve would be handing his own head on a platter to an astute Liberal leader.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-74858760626001053492009-09-06T08:47:46.259-07:002009-09-06T08:47:46.259-07:00I'll second Scott's comment, and add that ...I'll second Scott's comment, and add that if Harper is indeed cornered on the issue, then it should be all the better to run a campaign when it's going to be front and centre rather than after Harper has rendered the point moot by undermining the Copenhangen negotiations.Greg Fingashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01506686081291502115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-30209857164446208102009-09-06T08:27:39.891-07:002009-09-06T08:27:39.891-07:00Why would this be a reason for Iggy not to pull th...Why would this be a reason for Iggy not to pull the plug on Harper and company?<br /><br />I certainly don't want this type of policy in place.Oxford County Liberalshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181314055142726735noreply@blogger.com