tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post4489800161000397766..comments2024-03-22T05:20:44.167-07:00Comments on The Disaffected Lib: Sorry, New Dems, But Losing Was a Choice and It Was Your ChoiceThe Mound of Soundhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-35423427293759944932015-10-24T18:56:33.738-07:002015-10-24T18:56:33.738-07:00When the Liberals seem more progressive than the N...When the Liberals seem more progressive than the NDP we have to question if MULBLAIR was as big a mistake as New Labour in the UK.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-62481735525327614692015-10-21T15:32:43.204-07:002015-10-21T15:32:43.204-07:00Anyong said....and no one listened to Danny Willia...Anyong said....and no one listened to Danny Williams. He had it all down as you have present Mound.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-44162857240822250452015-10-21T11:56:08.292-07:002015-10-21T11:56:08.292-07:00Mulcair wasn't exactly Mr. Inspiration. Milque...Mulcair wasn't exactly Mr. Inspiration. Milquetoast would be a compliment. Whatever the NDP was thinking with that guy is beyond comprehension.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-91528070726440845802015-10-21T11:03:59.373-07:002015-10-21T11:03:59.373-07:00The NDP suffered the same fate federally that the ...The NDP suffered the same fate federally that the Ontario NDP did provincially and deservedly so. For too long they've listened to th neo-liberal and corpratist fifth columnists who've infiltrated the party over the years and quietly - and sometimes openly - pushed its democratic socialist principles aside to appeal to the "mushy middle" for the sake of some sort of nebulous notion of electability. Canadians have shown in this election that they will choose an strong alternative - almost any strong alternative - offered them of the existing paradigm simply isn't working. Mulcair and the NDP have failed Canadians in offering up a strong, vibrant, viable, progressive alternative to the Harperreich and even to Trudeau who came across as appearing to be to the left of the NDP in this round. He may see himself as a democratic socialist in his own mind, but he's little more than a focus group, PR firm, and some polls stuffed into an expensive suit; cynicism at the expense of truth and possibility.<br /><br />I did not and could not vote for Msr. Trudeau after his signing on to C-51, gavouring P3's, the zero-sum gain of trading taxing the wealthy, cutting middle class taxes (shallow, misplaced populism) while not increasing corporate tax rates (corporatism likee!), and declaring any discussion of the BDS movement on Canadian university campuses verboten. Mulcair became a non-stsrter for me after flip-flopping the Tarsands from something horrific in 2010 after touring them to a "manageable resource" in 2015 to woo Alberta and then distancing himself from Linda McQuaig's position on them, but worse in my books was his throwing NDP candidates under the bus for daring to criticize Israeli brutality against the Palestinians.<br /><br />All political parties in Canada - and everywhere, for that matter - will continue to experience the slow, tectonic push to the right as long as capitalism and corporatist agendas hold any sway in democracy, and it will be democracy that loses in the end as the two are inherently incompatible: the interests of the people vs. the greed of the moneyed few.<br /><br />The NDP needs to take a long, hard, cold look at itself at every level and decide if it really is interested in the greater progressive good of Canadians, or if it is merely pretending to be and is just another bought-off tool to advance the agenda of the corporate classes.<br /><br />N.ThinkingManNeilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10233707013338083180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-84261288977331144232015-10-21T10:08:40.796-07:002015-10-21T10:08:40.796-07:00You're right. Yet I suspect they won't lis...You're right. Yet I suspect they won't listen right now either. They're still too busy excoriating everyone else. Danahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12465953801145126160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-44426775022122362342015-10-21T10:06:00.644-07:002015-10-21T10:06:00.644-07:00Does it really matter, Dana? They didn't liste...Does it really matter, Dana? They didn't listen to the chorus of voices like Laxer's before. They ignored the warnings of the existential damage being self-inflicted on their party. They really thought there was some point in becoming the successor to the very thing they had so vehemently rebuked since they began.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-65922408764546603052015-10-21T10:01:20.436-07:002015-10-21T10:01:20.436-07:00I wonder if the usual suspects will show up to shr...I wonder if the usual suspects will show up to shriek at you instead of Laxer. Danahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12465953801145126160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-38618815130754865782015-10-21T10:00:00.168-07:002015-10-21T10:00:00.168-07:00Amen to all that, Anon. Thanks.Amen to all that, Anon. Thanks.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-88665859178481595852015-10-21T09:55:40.072-07:002015-10-21T09:55:40.072-07:00What a sorry choice for a progressive the election...What a sorry choice for a progressive the election actually was.<br /><br />Tory - not a chance<br />Liberal - sure if you could ignore that "Bill - lock em up - Blair was a star candidate<br />NDP - only if you don't realize that the party brass had moved to the right of the Libs in the hope of becoming "the government".<br /><br />One would think that the intent was to move us closer to the American 2 party state where you have a choice between a corporatist or a neocon corporatist<br /><br /><br />Next 4 years will give time to undo the damage of the NDP philosophical change.<br /><br />Bemused Lurker (Rather have the libs than the conservatives ratify the TPP - not that either can fight effectively and still remain a member of the "Club"<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com