tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post5203587779865280426..comments2024-03-22T05:20:44.167-07:00Comments on The Disaffected Lib: The Road Back If We're Brave Enough to Take It. It's Not for the Timid or Those Who Play Safe.The Mound of Soundhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-54012433941172264732013-08-04T21:50:45.771-07:002013-08-04T21:50:45.771-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Amoshttp://topconvertiblecarseatreviews.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-88468093387053560762013-05-14T08:53:20.940-07:002013-05-14T08:53:20.940-07:00Thwap, go to the web site, read the policy platfor...Thwap, go to the web site, read the policy platform. Read the part about dismantling our corporate media cartel. Does that sound capitalist to you or somehow right wing? Why aren't you hearing progressive platforms like that from the NDP? That's because they've morphed into a bunch of opportunistic, morally timid peckerheads, Thwap. They lost their way when they chose to recast themselves as Latter Day Liberals led by a Liberal.<br /><br />In terms of restoring democracy and, obviously, the most important challenge facing our nation, the environment and climate change, the Greens are light years more progressive than the New Dems who measure their policy according to their quest to succeed to power.<br /><br />Lorne, I have the impression that you and Owen and I are of roughly the same vintage. That means you have personally experienced how one person can motivate and energize a desultory population and ignite their passion behind great ideals.<br /><br />You remove the status quo from the very top of your priority list. You have to if you're to achieve something better. Yet neither Trudeau nor Mulcair can do that and so they're bound to fail us.<br /><br />You have to go from "how do we keep this old wreck ticking" to "what do we need and how are we going to get there?"<br /><br />You acknowledge and validate the public's deep and legitimate concerns. You speak to their worries and their hopes. They don't like what they've got now so offer them something better. As I said, go to the Green Party, read their platform. This isn't rocket science and it isn't radical.<br /><br />BCW, you might find this interesting:<br /><br />http://www.the-mound-of-sound.blogspot.ca/2013/05/truer-words-governments-hide-in-silence.html<br /><br />We have allowed these authoritarian thugs to hijack our governments, to stage a backroom coup d'etat against our people. It is a venal corruption of our democracy.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-46095631158035297072013-05-14T06:43:46.050-07:002013-05-14T06:43:46.050-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Agonsi Precioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11956649802059554169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-5256326444368936402013-05-14T05:55:22.241-07:002013-05-14T05:55:22.241-07:00Your incisive comments are much appreciated, Mound...Your incisive comments are much appreciated, Mound. The question, however, seems to be how we motivate people to start caring about the dangerous departure from traditional values that has taken place in Canada, a departure that started well before the ascension of the Harper regime which, in my view, has only perfected the art of alienating the electorate from the political process.<br /><br />All of the possible solutions to our dilemma seem to be rooted in having a party that truly cares about democracy in this country and is willing to work assiduously to reengage the public in the process, something I'm not sure the other two major parties really want beyond serving their political goal of wresting power from the Conservatives. I am frankly very dubious of Justin Trudeau who, as far as I can see, differs from Harper only in style, not in substance. If you examine the language of the NDP, they seem, if anything, to be vying for the centrist position on the spectrum, a position once occupied by the Liberals, with nary a word for 'the working class,' which has been largely supplanted by the phrase 'working families,' almost as if the former phrase is an embarrassing reminder of their provenance. <br /><br />I have said several times on my own blog that Harper is quite happy to push the politics of disaffection and disillusionment to discourage people from participating in the political process, including elections, thereby leaving the field open for the 'true believers' who prevailed in the 2011 election.<br /><br />People, I think, are hungry for genuine change. I just don't see that it is forthcoming from the other two major parties.Lornehttp://www.politicsanditsdiscontents.blogspot.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-27325175988331354992013-05-14T05:09:21.633-07:002013-05-14T05:09:21.633-07:00MoS,
I haven't visited the Green Party websit...MoS,<br /><br />I haven't visited the Green Party website, but there's always been this "Green Capitalism" about the Greens that's put me off jumping ship from the NDP.<br /><br />I think there are structural factors that would make it impossible for the Liberal Party of Canada to adopt genuine green policies as well.<br /><br />But what I do know is that proportional representation would make it possible to switch the conversation in this country away from the moronic guffawing of the harpercon base and the appalled shrieks of everyone else, towards a mature debate about the differences between Green, NDP and decent Liberals/Greens such as yourself.<br /><br />I think social class matters at the highest levels of policy and I think Canada needs more than just eco-capitalist, social democracy.<br /><br />I'll be listening to Rick Salutin and Steven Shrybman talk about "Taking Back Our Democracy" tonight.<br /><br />Hope I hear something worthwhile.thwaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15399550285738440669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-55863646677389426122013-05-14T05:05:20.906-07:002013-05-14T05:05:20.906-07:00Very well put Mound, central to the problem I thin...Very well put Mound, central to the problem I think is that SJH has successfully branded himself as "owning" the government, not unlike "christy clark's new bc liberals". Pretty much sums it up when we start to name a government after its leader. Harper's strategy was born out of the 2008 crash when overnight he went from "didn't see that comin'" to equating himself with a good economy which we all bought and paid for through the non-stop propaganda advertising. I totally agree that the only way out of this mess is an educated and engaged electorate and that can only happen through one conversation at a time, there's no easy fix.bcwaterboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00506402752799423770noreply@blogger.com