tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post6005423706430533856..comments2024-03-22T05:20:44.167-07:00Comments on The Disaffected Lib: It's Not Just Harper & Company, It's the Media TooThe Mound of Soundhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-48275973981340525702009-12-18T12:48:19.399-08:002009-12-18T12:48:19.399-08:00John I agree that 19th century corporatism has gon...John I agree that 19th century corporatism has gone from being an essential force for Canada's development into an economic and political liability for the future. It certainly has to be restrained and the role of the individual citizen over the corporate citizen restored.<br /><br />Look at what has happened south of the border with their "bought and paid for" Congress. The Republican House leader Boehner freely walking around the floor of the house handing out cheques from the coal lobby just before a crucial vote impacting the coal industry. He apologized for it later, saying it was "bad optics", but said he'd done nothing illegal.<br /><br />That is a legislature not fit to govern a citizenry. We may not have degenerated to the state of American politics but there is far too much corporate influence in Canada's two major parties. Harper is in the Oil lobby's pocket and I would be astonished that Iggy is that far behind. Harper has always openly worshiped all things far-right Republican and, I fear, Iggy sees the future Liberals as mirror-images of the Democratic Party. What else explains his abandonment of the progressive element of the LPC?<br /><br />p.s. - I don't think I'll be getting a Christmas card from Iggy again this year.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-69390062037598851162009-12-18T12:11:03.150-08:002009-12-18T12:11:03.150-08:00LeDaro,
Pretty hard for someone to understand the ...LeDaro,<br />Pretty hard for someone to understand the issues and concerns of those from the other side of the tracks (most Canadians), when all you have ever known is life with a silver spoon.<br /><br />I hate to say it, but Iggy's silence (and positions) on so many issues, including the ones you mention above, suggests he would not be much different, if he were in charge, than what we are getting from Harper and the conservatives. This I find extremely distressing.<br /><br /><i>... LPC needs a major shake-up.</i><br /><br />In my neck of the woods, I have spoken to the head honcho of the Alberta Liberal Party on more than one occasion, stating that I firmly believe the Macleod Liberal constituency is in the backpocket of the conservatives. I do not say this with tongue in cheek, but with the firm conviction and prove that this is the case. <br /><br />How many more ridings in this country are in the same position??<br /><br />The above is part of the reason, I think MoS most recent post above (Canada needs a Pro-Democracy Movement) is right on the money. Real change will only come about by real Canadians. Not from corporate lackeys and political flunkies, who sell us out at the drop of a hat, as they have consistently been doing for so many years now.John Princehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05745039414992084651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-75635733785352087672009-12-18T10:07:54.451-08:002009-12-18T10:07:54.451-08:00John, I understand your frustrations. What was don...John, I understand your frustrations. What was done to you was wrong, dead wrong. Warren Kinsella is not much help to LPC. Oh yes, he is helping to sink the LPC ship. Iggy has no opinion of his own it looks. He is lead by others. His stand on Tar Sands is dead wrong and not to speak of his disgraceful position on Gaza. Even Obama did not go along with that and U.S. government is under greater pressure from Israeli lobby. <br /><br />As far as being silenced, it is another blow to Liberal grassroots’ philosophy of freedom of speech. May be they should be reminded of:<br /><br />"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." <br /><br />I believe Voltaire said that. But what is the use under the current leadership. LPC needs a major shake-up.LeDarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12526776746689708239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-34278767100440246952009-12-18T08:49:58.001-08:002009-12-18T08:49:58.001-08:00MoS and LeDaro,
Warren Kinsella had me censored wh...MoS and LeDaro,<br />Warren Kinsella had me censored which resulted in my being removed from Liblogs, because of the post I did on the Iranian leader’s speech to the UN. They 'kitchen sinked' and thereby read more into my post than was there.<br /><br />From email exchanges I had with Scott, he told me Cherniak sits on his board at Progressive Bloggers. Since Scott never allowed me to be a member of PB and therefore none of posts have ever appeared there, I have to assume he followed Cherniak and Warren's lead and banned me.<br /><br />I do not believe I did anything deserving, in the slightest, to be censored and banned, and as a result, I certainly did not deserve to be treated so heavy-handedly and with no respect. Therefore, it is now my mission in life to wake up people as much as I can to the threat these people pose to our way of life and freedoms... what we call democracy.<br /><br />I want to thank you both for your interest and concern but as things have played out it is quite apparent to me that Scott is as guilty as the rest.John Princehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05745039414992084651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-85341888234771680372009-12-18T07:43:47.993-08:002009-12-18T07:43:47.993-08:00John, I agree with MoS on this. Scott Tribes has r...John, I agree with MoS on this. Scott Tribes has rarely objected to my posts. Once in a while he comes to my blog to express his displeasure but never threatening to remove me from ProgBlog. One has to give him credit for that. On the other hand for Liblogs you have to take an oath:<br /><br />You shall:<br /><br />-Not criticize Israel and butchering of its neighbours whether they be Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians or any other Arab neighbours. <br />-Support Iraq and Afghanistan war unconditionally.<br />-Support invasion of Iran if Israel or US so decides.<br />-Never dare say anything against THE LEADER Iggy.<br /><br />Initially I protested MoS’s removal from Liblogs and next my posts started disappearing from the Liblogs and when I protested that, I was gone too.LeDarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12526776746689708239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-42891786952956305982009-12-18T06:57:12.453-08:002009-12-18T06:57:12.453-08:00John, I know Liblogs had that bent. It's one ...John, I know Liblogs had that bent. It's one of the reasons I left along with others. Liblogs had/has a very narrow, toe the party line, stifle your criticism attitude. I don't know that the same can be said for ProgBlog. Scott Tribe is an unabashed big L, Liberal supporter, through and through, but I am free to criticize Iggy on his site, to blast their "Leader's" outrageously flawed and feckless position on Gaza and Israel and just about anything and everything else Ignatieff has done. <br /><br />Bear in mind that many, if not most, of the posters at ProgBlog are NDP supporters and I think few of them would stay if it was overtly Zionist.<br /><br />Just what happened between you and Scott?The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-44393992047564742212009-12-18T05:18:56.260-08:002009-12-18T05:18:56.260-08:00Since the name Cherniak and Liblogs has come up, m...Since the name Cherniak and Liblogs has come up, maybe some of you may be interested in a comment I did on Scott's Dia Tribes blog yesterday...<br /><br /><i>My vote for most 'unCanadian' would go to you Scott, at Progressive Bloggers, and Liblogs' Jason Cherniak for being the jackboot lapdogs of international Zionism, at the bequest of Warren Kinsella. The fact that people like you are in a position to effectively 'censor' those who put forward positions of peace, rather than war, while running so-called 'democratic' political blogs, sickens me to no end. We don't need to look outside our walls for terrorists they are here within our own borders, as exemplified by your and Jason's recent actions against me for daring to publish the following post:<br /><br />http://blog.johnprince.ca/2009/09/canada-should-be-ashamed-for-kowtowing.html<br /><br />You gutless wonders who push a Zionist agenda while using your positions as moderators on political blogging sites to suppress dissenting opinion is not only a diabolical action, but the hypocritical actions of traitors, as well. 'Enjoy' your award. You guys earned it.</i><br /><br />http://scottdiatribe.canflag.com/2009/12/17/my-vote-for-canadian-newsmaker-of-the-year/<br /><br /><br />p.s. I can't seem to access his blog anymore? I keep getting a HTTP 403 Forbidden msg?? I guess Scott and Jason cannot handle the glare of the media spotlight, when their dirty deeds are exposed for all to see. :-(John Princehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05745039414992084651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-25829382807851297182009-12-17T16:20:09.679-08:002009-12-17T16:20:09.679-08:00Liberal Justice, by the way I see on your blog tha...Liberal Justice, by the way I see on your blog that you have been denied membership to Liblog. That is Iggy/Cherniak blog. That should give you some idea of Iggyness. Liblog is Ignotorious for that.LeDarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12526776746689708239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-51760069166930978992009-12-17T15:28:51.634-08:002009-12-17T15:28:51.634-08:00One reason so many Canadians view these disclosure...One reason so many Canadians view these disclosures with suspicion is because our media was so negligent in covering the Afghan war. And Liberal Justice, I'm sorry but your boy Iggy isn't in line for much praise on this one. Remember, he's the guy who said he wasn't going to lose sleep over a bit of 'enhanced interrogation'? Hard as you try, LJ, you can't suck and blow at the same time. And, after his recent ringing endorsement of the Tar Sands, your guy Iggy sucks the big one.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-17924437874441068112009-12-17T14:43:51.160-08:002009-12-17T14:43:51.160-08:00Obviously part of the reason the torture issue has...Obviously part of the reason the torture issue has become so highlighted in the media is because Ignatieff has done a brilliant job in exposing the evils of this government.Liberal Justicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05346811184984444449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-40063883412938259402009-12-17T13:32:35.929-08:002009-12-17T13:32:35.929-08:00"Propaganda is to democracy what violence is ..."Propaganda is to democracy what violence is to a dictatorship." We qualify as a dictatorship too as what is being done in Afghanistan is all about violence.LeDarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12526776746689708239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-75760650768380801382009-12-17T11:28:29.702-08:002009-12-17T11:28:29.702-08:00The media (msm) are nothing more than a tool contr...The media (msm) are nothing more than a tool controlled by the elite to push their products, message, agenda, etc. The Afghan war media coverage has just been more of the same, that's all.<br /><br />"Propaganda is to democracy what violence is to a dictatorship."<br /><br />http://blog.johnprince.ca/2008/08/media.htmlJohn Princehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05745039414992084651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-11253173317736780472009-12-17T11:12:42.260-08:002009-12-17T11:12:42.260-08:00Rumours have been swirling around about serious to...Rumours have been swirling around about serious torture problem since 2006. I remember read somethign about it in April 2007 and did this depiction in picture. <br /><br />http://ledaro.blogspot.com/2007/04/harper-freedom-for-afghanistan.html<br /><br />Nothing new. They can deny all they want but it clear like day light.LeDarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12526776746689708239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-75910108774446628702009-12-17T10:00:12.167-08:002009-12-17T10:00:12.167-08:00Part of the problem is that the media have allowed...Part of the problem is that the media have allowed themselves to be shelved. They whimpered and whined when Harper began shutting down their access to DND and EnviroCan, forcing them to go through his Political Commissars in the PMO. Imagine, your questions go to the prime ministers office then, if approved, are forwarded to the appropriate public servant whose responses are returned to the prime minister's office where they're filtered and massaged to conform to the government's particular narrative and then, and only then, released to the media. And they sat back and tolerated it. The only direct access they could get was to people who were 'reliable' and would stay on message. And they fell into line like sheep.<br /><br />In my time, government feared the media. It was palpable when you dealt with them. Now the tables are turned.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-76256759459337559962009-12-17T09:47:50.523-08:002009-12-17T09:47:50.523-08:00A few in the media have been on to Harper-- Jim Tr...A few in the media have been on to Harper-- Jim Travers, at least since the- attempted bribing of a sitting, dying MP- affair. Why isn't there more investigative journalism, MoS? When even his own biographer says Harper has subverted democracy, isn't it time the media let us all know? I realize most 'news' we get is owned, but there'll always be some honest renegades!:) LKLKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10042340044944563568noreply@blogger.com