tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post6389445886068388060..comments2024-03-22T05:20:44.167-07:00Comments on The Disaffected Lib: Are You Really Going to Bank on Justin and Christia When It Comes to the TPP? Elizabeth Warren Has Some Insights You Might Find Helpful.The Mound of Soundhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-3525997945706929102016-02-05T11:47:39.721-08:002016-02-05T11:47:39.721-08:00The US trade representative's office has the f...The US trade representative's office has the full text of the tpp:<br />https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/trans-pacific-partnership/tpp-full-text<br /><br />Canada will have the full text of the tpp when they get their butts in gear:<br />http://www.international.gc.ca/trade-agreements-accords-commerciaux/agr-acc/tpp-ptp/final_agreement-accord_finale.aspx?lang=eng<br /><br />crfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10726414637021391906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-59867773229723825332016-02-04T10:18:20.311-08:002016-02-04T10:18:20.311-08:00The ISDS does not just allow companies to by pass ...The ISDS does not just allow companies to by pass our laws and sue our government it's unconstitutional and a complete violation of Canadians rights under The Charter of Rights and Freedoms. In short our already fragile sovereignty will be destroyed. What's to mull over? How ironic would that be. The father Pierre Trudeau creates a constitutuon protecting all Canadians rights, the very entity that prevented the tyrant Harper from passing uncontitutional legislation. Out of 44 pieces of legislation sent to the SCC 43 were struck down by the SCC as being unconstitutional! Is the son Justin Trudeau, really going to ratify a deal that gives corporations not laws the control of the country, making the Charter of Rights and Freedom insignificant? This should be fought against with everything we have, including legally. It is our government. It is our country.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07842215982128591742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-86369364649430213142016-02-04T08:36:54.634-08:002016-02-04T08:36:54.634-08:00I'm not buying that "what choice do we ha...<br />I'm not buying that "what choice do we have" nonsense. Whether it's used in response to IMF demands or one purportedly "free" trade deal or another, this modern day Sword of Damocles has been hauled out far too often to cow nations and peoples.<br /><br />I think it was Malaysia that stood up to the IMF and told them where to put their demands. It turned out that the dire warnings of economic doom were a bluff and Malaysia did just fine.<br /><br />I don't believe it's too late, not yet, to revisit this whole neoliberal House of Cards, strip away the myths and present it for what it really is. Show what the dreamers imagined it would be versus what it has become, this predatory economic monster that has surrendered state sovereignty to multinationals and effected the greatest unearned transfer of wealth out of the middle classes to the wealthiest and, by implication, most powerful.<br /><br />The process begins by explaining to the public that there's nothing remotely "free" in free trade. Perhaps we should better refer to it as "indentured trade."The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-54242210298144954702016-02-04T08:01:22.335-08:002016-02-04T08:01:22.335-08:00Over 3 million people in Europe have signed a peti...Over 3 million people in Europe have signed a petition against the TTIP, which also has ISDS:<br /><br />https://stop-ttip.org/<br /><br />They're not crazy about ISDS provisions allowing foreign corporations to sue their governments, I guess.Hughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-35393493256142299742016-02-04T06:53:37.008-08:002016-02-04T06:53:37.008-08:00I agree with Lungta this is an acid test. Maybe th...I agree with Lungta this is an acid test. Maybe the grassroots progressives in the libs believe that this will not be signed but as an old cynic that believes that Butts et al, are only placeholders for the "Old Lib Philosophy" and Bay St. (Whatever is left of it) this signing is a done deal. It is only a question of how to con us into believing the Trudeau 'really doesn't like it but what choice do we have?'<br /><br />Just more proof that nothing is ever new and perhaps those of us who saw this coming can revel in many "I told you sos"Ben Burdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06372169478978720740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-54393931701027068522016-02-04T06:53:02.592-08:002016-02-04T06:53:02.592-08:00I'm reading that no Canadian economic assessme...I'm reading that no Canadian economic assessment of the TPP has been done. Huh?Hughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-56540700474477809462016-02-03T22:21:14.138-08:002016-02-03T22:21:14.138-08:00Lungta - I pray you're wrong but I do so uncon...Lungta - I pray you're wrong but I do so unconvincingly.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-75297291060426930262016-02-03T22:20:37.024-08:002016-02-03T22:20:37.024-08:00Hugh, I think ISDS is more than a deterrent, a fet...Hugh, I think ISDS is more than a deterrent, a fetter on national sovereignty. It is a shackle that dictates a surrender of critical incidents of state sovereignty, bending the knee to corporatism.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-19506777249062702972016-02-03T22:18:01.280-08:002016-02-03T22:18:01.280-08:00@ Chris - most of the informed commentary on TPP s...@ Chris - most of the informed commentary on TPP suggests a state of "government capture" in which the remedies you suggest will be foreclosed, perhaps perpetually.<br /><br />Is this not the situation most needing the "precautionary principle"? Fully explore the bounds and limitations of the pact. Explain to the citizenry what they're supposedly getting and giving up in exchange.<br /><br />A supportive review in the Globe contended the question is not what TPP will do to benefit Canada but the detrimental consequences that will descend upon us if we reject it. That sounds utterly extortionate, hardly confidence building.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-82071746662951733552016-02-03T21:32:02.101-08:002016-02-03T21:32:02.101-08:00TPP is a Trudeau acid test
of course so was the Sa...TPP is a Trudeau acid test<br />of course so was the Saudi jeep deal<br />i'm thinking he is icing <br />on the same old cakelungtahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06526204597913219959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-39457313692916264452016-02-03T20:07:40.092-08:002016-02-03T20:07:40.092-08:00ISDS is in all these so-called trade deals. I assu...ISDS is in all these so-called trade deals. I assume fear of massive lawsuits under ISDS hinders governments from legislating in the best interests of the nation. <br /><br />TransCanada suing the US over the cancellation of the Keystone XL pipeline under ISDS in NAFTA is an example. And Eli Lilly is suing Canada for $500 million under NAFTA as well.Hughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-47326598371935701482016-02-03T18:11:37.137-08:002016-02-03T18:11:37.137-08:00cf are you a paid lobbyist, working for the money ...cf are you a paid lobbyist, working for the money Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14162783936999869984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-69417108723203481202016-02-03T18:10:38.435-08:002016-02-03T18:10:38.435-08:00If Justin signs the TPP its over. We never shoud h...If Justin signs the TPP its over. We never shoud have killed the NEP and signed free trade with Mexico. This is so fucking obvious that not one national newspaper can report this fact.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14162783936999869984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-34254274107202165042016-02-03T17:19:36.438-08:002016-02-03T17:19:36.438-08:00Our home-grown corporations (what little is left o...Our home-grown corporations (what little is left of them) may not be whole-heartedly behind the TPP. Jim Balsillie, for instance, has not been happy about the IP and investor-dispute provisions of the TPP. <br /><br />The branch-plants certainly would be behind the TPP though. Canada is increasingly an american-multinational branch-plant economy.<br /><br />But I'm not yet convinced about arguments that the TPP would be a <i>major</i> good thing, or a <i>major</i> bad thing. <br /><br />The Canadian problem with corporate investment seems to be relatively independent of trade policy. Even if there is some effect from the TPP, there is risk of scapegoating it, even while other underlying problems do not get solved.<br /><br />If the government does go ahead with the TPP, I hope it develops a clear plan, with plenty of government support, to get investment in Canadian corporate R&D at the levels of our competitors. crfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10726414637021391906noreply@blogger.com