tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post6630121464476329315..comments2024-03-22T05:20:44.167-07:00Comments on The Disaffected Lib: There Once Was a Difference Between Liberal and LiberalThe Mound of Soundhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-71119645418492368802017-04-19T03:04:16.493-07:002017-04-19T03:04:16.493-07:00"I cut Chretien/Martin a little slack on the ..."I cut Chretien/Martin a little slack on the austerity years, Cap. Anyone who has a clear recollection of Canada's debt crisis accumulated over the Trudeau and Mulroney years knows the trouble we were in. It was a mess. For me, it wasn't so much the austerity but what they did with the money. They balanced the budget and then, instead of the usual political ploy of squandering the surplus to partisan political advantage, they instead paid down the national debt."<br /><br />Trudeau Sr. faced big deficits during the early 1980s because of the war-on-inflation Volcker Shock that triggered a massive recession. Interest rates reached 20% (they have below 1% since 2009.)<br /><br />Mulroney was handed a big debt and what did he do to tackle it? He brought in big income tax cuts for the rich: i.e., Reaganomics.<br /><br />The Chretien Liberals inherited a whopping deficit and debt because of another round of war-on-inflation where interest rates reached 16% which manufactured another massive recession in the early 1990s.<br /><br />How did they handle it? They slashed spending, slashed transfers, slashed UI benefits and used this money to pay down government debt. I.e., they are neoliberals. I.e., "New Liberal", "Third Way Labor", "New Democrat", however you want to slice it. Disaster-manufacturing Friedmanian free-market ideology with a smile.<br /><br />When was a liberal a liberal? You'd have to go back to the 1960s. Back during the New Deal era: i.e., Grand Generation liberals who built modern civilization.<br /><br />Baby Boomer neoliberals liquidated the New Deal and modern civilization and brought us right back to the dirty 30s: an economy on life support with fascist revolutions on the verge in Europe.<br /><br />Trudeau Sr. was a fake-ass liberal as well. Just like Junior: all social liberalism with conservative economics. The only difference is that Junior will not be reduced to a minority for betraying his vision of hope and change. O'Leary is going to destroy him.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-37127872879938574272017-04-19T01:05:11.988-07:002017-04-19T01:05:11.988-07:00Toby, I don't think the BC Lib rank and file h...Toby, I don't think the BC Lib rank and file have any illusions that their party is a branch office of Trudeau Inc.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-10535699641139128852017-04-18T19:27:13.434-07:002017-04-18T19:27:13.434-07:00Question: Will disappointment with Trudeau and the...Question: Will disappointment with Trudeau and the federal Liberals cost Christy Clark and the BC Libs at the polls? Tobynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-3940462728794074552017-04-18T17:36:54.292-07:002017-04-18T17:36:54.292-07:00You're quite right, Anyong. It's not an is...You're quite right, Anyong. It's not an issue with the Trudeau government. Morneau in a very callous remark told Canadians they would have to accept a future of "job churn." To me that's an admission that the government has failed the public and surrendered them to predatory market forces.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-61791138491313776952017-04-18T16:25:25.108-07:002017-04-18T16:25:25.108-07:00Anyong...add to the the piece in the Globe and Mai...Anyong...add to the the piece in the Globe and Mail regarding the Precariat. It is the first time except for your blog, that I have read anything written about this dreaded disease. What is Trudeau doing about that one? Nothing!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-29574571223031875352017-04-18T15:45:00.073-07:002017-04-18T15:45:00.073-07:00The old adage, "How to spot a lying politicia...The old adage, "How to spot a lying politician? His lips are moving" still applies. <br />Applies only because voting idiots still will vote them in.<br />Case in point? Mcguilty...<br />A..nonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-38541900673333808662017-04-18T14:23:13.158-07:002017-04-18T14:23:13.158-07:00Dana, agreed.Dana, agreed.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-55806567748448342382017-04-18T14:22:41.317-07:002017-04-18T14:22:41.317-07:00Hi, Pamela. I put a lot of the blame on the sheepl...Hi, Pamela. I put a lot of the blame on the sheeple who make up the Liberal rank and file. They're the group that puts up with Trudeau's horse shit. They're his enablers. Every party has them, including the New Dems. Look at how the NDP membership were ready to ditch the left when they saw a centrist/centre-right avenue by which they might take power. Me, I'll stick with the Greens although I have reservations about May.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-41300183736388659992017-04-18T13:41:10.727-07:002017-04-18T13:41:10.727-07:00"Jack Layton put an end to the future of prog..."Jack Layton put an end to the future of progressivism in the House of Commons when he helped usher Harper into power."<br /><br />Yet somehow Saint Jack is still the god of their adoration. Ideologically blind and deaf ought to include dumb, yet on they prate all church basement righteous and everything. Danahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12465953801145126160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-35852586970641699952017-04-18T13:33:52.288-07:002017-04-18T13:33:52.288-07:00I, like you Mound, in the next election will work ...I, like you Mound, in the next election will work to drive every liberal MP out of this province. I have never voted NDP, but if Charlie Angus becomes leader, I may consider it.<br /><br />I was always wary about Trudeau especially when it came to foreign affairs, but I have to admit that I never anticipated the magnitude of deceit across the board that he is engaging in.<br /><br />He and his liberal cronies need to be sent packing. What a disaster to this country he has turned out to be!<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07842215982128591742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-69568412029054319542017-04-18T12:14:12.613-07:002017-04-18T12:14:12.613-07:00Not that I take any satisfaction in it, but I wasn...<br />Not that I take any satisfaction in it, but I wasn't among their ranks, Ben. Do you really believe Mulcair would have been much better? I don't.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-10755936900826384262017-04-18T12:02:41.844-07:002017-04-18T12:02:41.844-07:00Just how many times do we have sing the chant - Li...Just how many times do we have sing the chant - Liberal Tory; same old story.<br /><br />Schadenfreud is a wonderful thing to have when confronting the suckers who got sucked in in the last election.Ben Burdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06372169478978720740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-58926684593899499112017-04-18T10:47:37.488-07:002017-04-18T10:47:37.488-07:00I cut Chretien/Martin a little slack on the auster...<br />I cut Chretien/Martin a little slack on the austerity years, Cap. Anyone who has a clear recollection of Canada's debt crisis accumulated over the Trudeau and Mulroney years knows the trouble we were in. It was a mess. For me, it wasn't so much the austerity but what they did with the money. They balanced the budget and then, instead of the usual political ploy of squandering the surplus to partisan political advantage, they instead paid down the national debt.<br /><br />What they did was in many ways similar to what Saskatchewan's legendary NDP premier, Roy Romanow, did to pull his province from the brink of bankruptcy following the Grant Devine debacle.<br /><br />In the intervening decades there has been no end of whinging about this and even more mischaracterization, especially from the far left. It was unconvincing at the time. It's unconvincing now.<br /><br />As for Martin's progressive credentials, it's easy to forget what he tried to do - the Kelowna Accord, R2P - Responsibility to Protect, same sex marriage, a consensus health care accord, all while wearing the millstone of Chretien's sponsorship scandal in which Gomery found Martin blameless. He also steered Canada clear of America's National Missile Defence Programme. Like him or not, he did or attempted a lot of things that were progressive. Jack Layton put an end to the future of progressivism in the House of Commons when he helped usher Harper into power.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-61643017521489399292017-04-18T10:07:20.556-07:002017-04-18T10:07:20.556-07:00I'd go back further than Iggy, Mound. As far b...I'd go back further than Iggy, Mound. As far back as I can remember, the federal Libs' M.O. has been to outflank the NDP at election time, then govern using the Tory platform minus the bible-thumping. Is Trudeau's implementation of Harper's economic plan that much different from Chretien and Martin's implementation of the PC austerity program? <br /><br />CapAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-74914429435736776442017-04-18T09:54:53.360-07:002017-04-18T09:54:53.360-07:00Lmao QQ broLmao QQ broKyle H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06049961780427560881noreply@blogger.com