tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post7317990786857814440..comments2024-03-22T05:20:44.167-07:00Comments on The Disaffected Lib: Trudeau's No-Win DilemmaThe Mound of Soundhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-69590719805889008602016-06-11T16:05:45.559-07:002016-06-11T16:05:45.559-07:00A..non. I have no idea how your comment relates to...A..non. I have no idea how your comment relates to this post. None. Sorry.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-34662957103189862402016-06-11T16:04:31.039-07:002016-06-11T16:04:31.039-07:00@ Anon 2:37 - I'm somewhat familiar with the e...@ Anon 2:37 - I'm somewhat familiar with the excruciating pain that can accompany bone cancer. My sympathies to you and your sister.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-50521623802489080132016-06-11T16:02:24.332-07:002016-06-11T16:02:24.332-07:00@ Anon, 12:54 - his mother's emotional problem...@ Anon, 12:54 - his mother's emotional problems have been chronic but I've seen no suggestion they have left her in unendurable pain. That's not to diminish her suffering at all. I just don't know.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-70323188979886931002016-06-11T16:00:09.728-07:002016-06-11T16:00:09.728-07:00@ Lulymay - Thanks for your remarks although I'...@ Lulymay - Thanks for your remarks although I'm sorry to have brought you to revisit your and your mother's ordeal. I only wish everyone had a graphic awareness of what we put the incurable through both at the end of life and some, even more tragically, long before. A lot of people think there's a ready solution to all pain and suffering. Here's a pill. For some, yes. For many, no.<br /><br />Thanks.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-33517873224127692692016-06-11T12:27:07.005-07:002016-06-11T12:27:07.005-07:00"Cowardly? Absolutely. The last thing..."..."Cowardly? Absolutely. The last thing..." boomers want to do is to die by their own (at least partially) sword...<br />A..nonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-52755481488142091872016-06-10T14:37:50.154-07:002016-06-10T14:37:50.154-07:00How can religious fanatics be so concerned with th...How can religious fanatics be so concerned with the right to die issue? When it comes to pain they are oblivious? Oh yes I forgot, if a person believes truly believes, then God will cure. My sister recently suffered enormous pain from bone cancer. It is not nice. It is devastating, mentally draining and in some cases can cause PTSD. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-47180356676357141822016-06-10T12:54:34.719-07:002016-06-10T12:54:34.719-07:00Justin's religious orientation? Perhaps, Mound...Justin's religious orientation? Perhaps, Mound. I was thinking more along the lines of his mother - someone who's struggled for years with mental health issues. It's these non-terminal but irremediable psychological conditions that he seems to want to carve out of the <i>Carter</i> ruling. I suspect old Freud would have a field day with this.<br /><br />But, as you say, who knows? I've yet to see the government justify departing from the Supreme Court's decision.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-28924372024280177522016-06-10T12:18:31.542-07:002016-06-10T12:18:31.542-07:00My Mum was 58 years old when she started complaini...My Mum was 58 years old when she started complaining of not feeling well. The doctor she trusted most was off on his annual contribution to the WHO, so she waited till he returned to make an appointment. In a very short period of time, she was in such pain she was admitted to the local hospital. She was rather overweight and being early 1980's there was a reluctance to give heavy does of painkiller due to the thought it would cause the patient to become addicted, so it took several days of experimentation before they finally had control of by then extreme pain and she was going downhill fast. I arrived in town on the Friday when they had finally made her comfortable but when I touched her brow she started groaning. The nurse advised me not to be concerned because by the time, my mother did not know who she was. My response was" "But I know who she is and I wanted her pain free". Well, overnight the nurse on duty decided not to provide the next prescribed dose of pain med because in her words "she seemed to be resting comfortably". But of course, by morning when we tried to visit, you could hear her screams from the hospital entrance and they sent us home until they could get the pain under control again. By Monday morning Mum was no longer with us; she had been under Dr. care for all of 10 days. This experience left an indelible mark on me that never goes away. These pseudo religious wackos that insist you have to suffer before you can "enter into the arms of your lord in heaven" drive me crazy. When will they understand my right to die as comfortably as possible supercedes their right to tell me I must suffer untold pain before I go? Thanks for letting me rant, Mound. Lulymaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-19976239103120219062016-06-10T12:18:15.780-07:002016-06-10T12:18:15.780-07:00
Who knows, Cap? You could be right. This could be...<br />Who knows, Cap? You could be right. This could be a matter of his religious orientation.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-85801038566835340172016-06-10T12:02:02.802-07:002016-06-10T12:02:02.802-07:00Justin had the stones to come straight out and tel...Justin had the stones to come straight out and tell Lib MPs to support abortion access or take a hike. The corporate press, of course, went nuts about how "undemocratic" it was, but he stuck by his decision. But now he's too feckless to stand up to these very same MPs? <br /><br />As for political expedience, the easiest thing would have been to follow the spirit and the letter of the <i>Carter</i> decision. No muss, no fuss from anyone that mattered. The Christian Taliban won't be lining up to vote Lib no matter what he does. That's why I don't get this decision - it doesn't make political sense. I wonder if Trudeau's personal views are in play.<br /><br />CapAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-68119884311318779112016-06-10T08:56:26.143-07:002016-06-10T08:56:26.143-07:00@ Lorne - you might want to read the Star editoria...@ Lorne - you might want to read the Star editorial on this. <br /><br />https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2016/06/09/mps-should-listen-to-senate-on-assisted-dying-editorial.htmlThe Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-20929147566680523142016-06-10T07:54:04.520-07:002016-06-10T07:54:04.520-07:00Cap, the answer to your question is twofold: polit...<br />Cap, the answer to your question is twofold: political expedience and cowardice. Those are two traits we've seen in this fellow before seemingly whenever he's confronted by a hard issue.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-69876211549892137232016-06-10T07:51:58.851-07:002016-06-10T07:51:58.851-07:00Lorne, I read Salutin's piece but his argument...Lorne, I read Salutin's piece but his argument was most telling for what he left out. He chose not to address the Charter issue as though it did not exist, something vital to his point. He approached it, as many do, from society's perceived values not from the perspective of the minority that the Charter is securing from an unbearable, protracted tragedy. Your position, no matter how well-intentioned, relies on that same mistake.<br /><br />Ask yourself, if this Charter protection can be erased with the stroke of a pen as some "compromise" then what Charter right is safe? Presumably Charter rights that are universal or serve the majority would always stand for no one would dare mess with them. That sort of Charter would be a piece of fluff. <br /><br />It's when rights of a minority must be protected against the preferences of a more or less engaged, religiously-steered majority that these Charter/BillofRights and similar enactments stand or fall. Ours has stood in the form of a per curiam, 9-0, judgment of the Supreme Court of Canada. It wasn't just unanimous, it was per curiam, "one voice." That has huge significance most people cannot grasp.<br /><br />You, Lorne, like many see this as an abstract issue, a debate. Those of that protected minority view it entirely differently. For them there's nothing abstract about it. This is an issue that causes them enormous fear just as their condition causes them intolerable suffering. Imagine being in that state and having someone like Rick Salutin or Rex Murphy divine what is the right way to dispose of you, why another should be relieved of intolerable suffering but not you. Salutin doesn't get that either. He's oblivious to it as are the rest including the prime minister, justice minister Jody, and their dutiful caucus. There is an incredible cowardice in their arguments and, like most scoundrels, their arguments are riddled with omissions lest they collapse under the weight of fact.<br /> The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-80441527549821615952016-06-10T06:08:07.057-07:002016-06-10T06:08:07.057-07:00I'm surprised Trudeau even gave the anti-assis...I'm surprised Trudeau even gave the anti-assisted dying crowd the time of day since their arguments have already been considered and rejected. In the <i>Carter</i> case, the whole gamut of Catholic and evangelical groups intervened and the Court showed them the door just like it did in the <i>Morgentaler</i> decision. <br /><br />As the history of abortion rights shows, these groups are fanatical and will use any excuse to make incremental changes with a view to rolling back civil rights won in the courts. Even an evangelical like Harper understood the political liability of giving these groups any more than lip-service. It's hard to understand why the Libs didn't just say, "sorry the Supreme Court has ruled on the constitutionality of assisted dying and outlined its parameters, there's no more we can do."<br /><br />CapAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32931256.post-90998118169915319332016-06-10T06:05:37.976-07:002016-06-10T06:05:37.976-07:00As you already know, Mound, you and I have differe...As you already know, Mound, you and I have different perspectives on this legislation. In today's Star, Rick Salutin offers his take on it: https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2016/06/10/assisted-dying-is-already-a-huge-step-forward.htmlLornehttp://www.politicsanditsdiscontents.blogspot.canoreply@blogger.com